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Getting Started

Books are important, and something that you can’t do without.  Hands down, they are the best insurance against making a bad purchase. Although there are exceptions, bayonet books tend to be published in small numbers and prices go through the roof, once they go out of print. Get ‘em while you can is the order of the day, when it comes to books.  That said, there are some very affordable bayonet books available today.

If you are just getting started, Bayonets From Janzen’s Notebook, by Jerry Janzen, is probably the first book that you should buy.  It covers about 1,000 bayonets from all over the world, arranged by country.  It is no longer in  print, but can still be purchased very reasonably from Dennis Ottobre.  If you are just starting out, buy this book while you can get it.  It was my first book and has paid for itself many, many, times over by helping me avoid bad purchases and clueing me in to some really good finds.

There are many other books, some focused on one country or type of bayonet. I list what I have in my reference library, on my Library page.

There is also a tremendous amount of information available on the Internet. My links page contains a listing of links that have been most useful to me over the years.

Networking

The 98k Bayonet Collectors’ Network (BCN) is a very innovative collecting organization that uses e-mail and the Internet to overcome many of the obstacles imposed by distance.  Founded in 1996 by John C. Jacobi, the BCN began as an organization focused around collecting of the German SG84/98 III bayonet used on the WW II German Mauser Kar 98k rifle.  The BCN has since branched out to encompass international bayonets and includes collectors from around the world. The BCN publishes a daily e-mail digest of member posts of questions, answers, and discussion of collecting topics. The e-mail digest is currently compiled in Australia and sent to members worldwide.

Although the BCN has broadened its scope, a continuing project that dates from the very beginning is to re-create the production record of the SG 84/98 III bayonet, through collection and analysis of maker and serial number data.  Members report serial numbers observed at shows and other places and they are loaded to a database in Slovakia.  To date, over 12,000 serial numbers have been collected. An example of the results (from 2002) is available on the BCN public site.  Current research is available on a members only site.

There are no dues. The only requirement for membership is participation.  The BCN enables any collector, anywhere, to learn from some of the leading bayonet collectors and historians. The BCN has been a phenomenal source of information and I treasure the correspondence that I have received from leading authors and collectors on pieces in my collection.  If you think that I overstate the part about leading authors, look for the BCN logo next to the author’s names on my Library page.

Where to Look for Bayonets

One of the fun things about bayonet collecting is that bayonets can turn up just about anywhere. If you have done your book-work, you can recognize the gold nuggets when you see them (not every gold nugget comes labeled ‘gold nugget’). There are regional differences that impact the venues in which one is likely to hit pay dirt. 

I’m on the west coast, in Northern California, so the examples below reflect that. For example, no pawn shops.  In some areas, pawn shops are very fruitful.  In California, few pawn shops have FFLs anymore due to the onerous additional State licensing. No guns = few bayonets.  Gun shows aren’t reflected as prominently as one might expect.  Well, gun shows in my area don’t seem to be as fruitful for me. While they aren’t all that fruitful in terms of acquisition, they are a great extension of my book-work.  I hit as many shows as I can and practice identifying what I have read about.

Here are some examples of my good finds in a variety of settings:

Antique Shops and Antique Malls

Some of the most valuable bayonets in my collection have come from antique shops and antique malls.  Often these venues are known for high prices.  However, they also yield some real nuggets. For example:

  • I found an unmarked, nondescript Civil War socket bayonet in an antique mall for $50.  It was in excellent condition. I didn’t have any Civil War bayonets, so I figured ‘how could it not be worth $50,’ and bought it.  It turned out to be a very rare (one of only a handful of known examples) Sharps M1863 “New Model” bayonet of the Drake pattern, worth about $750.  It was authenticated by comparing it to another that was obtained from the late Robt. Reilly, who wrote the Bible on American socket bayonets.
  • I used to have a showcase at a local antique mall, where I sold militaria and bayonets.  Whenever I came by to service my case, I would take a stroll around to see if anything caught my eye. One day, while making my rounds, I spotted a U.S. bayonet on another dealer’s table. It was a near mint WW II U.S. M-4 bayonet with the leather grip. The dealer had $30 on it.
  • I was on a business trip to a very remote area of California.  While walking down the main drag, I passed an antique store. Leaning in the front window was a U.S. M1905 bayonet in the early scabbard with the Krag-style belt hanger. It turned out to be a matching Rock Island Arsenal 1907 bayonet and scabbard without any modifications. I got it for $95.

Gun Shops

Gun shop owners often obtain bayonets and other items that are outside of their area of interest (or expertise). They do their best to price them right, but sometimes overlook those gold nuggets that I mentioned earlier. There is a gun shop that I frequent regularly that specializes in old military firearms. You would think that they wouldn’t overlook much. Try these out:

  • Near mint, German M1871 sword bayonet (looks like it was made yesterday) with matching regimental markings on both bayonet and scabbard for $120.
  • Lee-Enfield Jungle Carbine bayonet by Wilkinson Sword Co. for $45.
  • I appreciate the lowly Lee-Enfield No. 4 spike bayonet more than most. One day, I stopped in and there were two No. 4 spikes behind the counter.  I asked to look at them.  The first was nothing special. As I started to withdraw number two from it’s scabbard, the cruciform blade came into view. I quickly shoved it back in the scabbard and asked, how much for these?  The clerk took one of them (the one with the cruciform blade) into the back to ask the boss and came back saying, $15 each. Needless to say, I bought both.
  • Very recently I went in. They haven’t been getting much in lately, but I still go regularly.  Saw a funny little green bayonet that I didn’t recognize at all.  They wanted $30 for it. I bought it and have determined that it is a French-made bayonet for the SIG 540 assault rifle. I honestly don’t know what it is worth, because I can hardly turn up any information on it (usually a sign that it’s not too common).

Distributors and Importers

Strange things can turn up among the ordinary pieces received by importers and distributors. They get so much stuff, that it’s impossible to cull out all of the sleepers. For example:

  • There’s a small, but well-advertised, importer based near where I work. I go over occasionally at lunch on a Friday and they let me wander through their warehouse. One day, I spotted a box of greasy British No. 4 spike bayonets and Mk. I scabbards.  In among the scabbards was one with a BRASS throat piece, instead of the customary Mazak (zinc alloy) or blued steel throat. I sent pictures to Yves Robitaille, a leading Canadian expert on the No. 4 spike bayonet, who was working on The No. 4 Bayonet: A Collector's Guide.  He forwarded them to Graham Priest, noted author of many bayonet books, who was working on The Spirit of the Pike - British Socket Bayonets of the Twentieth Century.  Graham wrote me back that this was the only brass-throated Mk. I scabbard that had ever been reported.  A discussion and photos of my scabbard are in his book. Not bad for $6.
  • Back when I had the showcase at a local antique mall, I used to order bayonets from the importers who advertise in Shotgun News pretty regularly.  Among a batch of $10 Czech VZ-24 bayonets, came a cut-down 1904-dated Saxon-marked German 1898 quillback bayonet. It had the royal cypher of King Georg, who only reined for two years (1902-1904). Go figure.

Gun Shows

I’m in an area where gun shows aren’t the best.  However, sleepers do turn up at gun shows.  Also, sometimes exhibitors do bizarre things when they get punchy from sitting there too long. For example:

  • Found a U.S. marked Canadian Ross M1905 bayonet on a table for $35.
  • Had a guy plead with me to give him $5 for a near-mint Indian 1A long blade bayonet for the FAL rifle.
  • Found a U.S. M1873 Cadet bayonet on a table with a bunch of nonmilitary junk for $35.
  • Recently found a very nice, matching German SG84/98III bayonet on a table at the Big Reno Show for $55.
  • Another Big Reno Show find was an Italian M1938 folding bayonet for $25 on the table of a major firearms auction house.

Other Collectors

Other collectors are a great source of hard to find bayonets.  You won’t walk away with a sleeper, but you can really add some nice pieces to your collection at reasonable prices. This is where networking really pays off. For example:

  • There’s a local gentleman who deals primarily in swords and daggers, the ceremonial stuff. However, he occasionally gets bayonets.  I have bought several pieces from him over the years, including an Italian M1938 folding bayonet. It didn’t have a scabbard, but the price was right.  A couple of years later, a BCN member put up a M1938 scabbard on the Monday night sale very affordably and I was able to complete the piece.
  • I picked up a really unusual Chinese sword bayonet, from a BCN member, that has a Japanese Type 30 blade mated to a Mauser M1924 hilt.  I’ve never seen another, before or since, except in Janzen’s Notebook.

Flea Markets/Swap Meets

Occasional gems turn up here as well.  For example:

  • At a local Farmer’s Market (huge swap meet), I found an Enfield Pattern 1888 knife bayonet in a bin at a used tool dealer’s stall.  Got it for $15.
  • At the same Farmer’s Market, I found a U.S. M-6 knife bayonet (for the M-14 rifle), new in the box, still sealed inside the plastic long-term storage wrapper for $25. It’s the only bayonet that I own, that I can also claim to have never seen!

On-Line Auctions, etc.

Much of the glitter has come off of eBay and other on-line auctions. Unfortunately, eBay is becoming a vehicle for the proliferation of fakes being manufactured in India, China, and Afghanistan.  However, if you wade through all of the chaff, there are still some gold nuggets to be had.

  • I recently scored a matching German SG. 84/98 III bayonet (an Elite Diamant no less) in a rare Afrika Korps web frog for $79 on eBay.  The bayonet, alone, is worth more than that and the frog is worth more than the bayonet.
  • I recently came across a M1892 Krag bayonet advertised on craigslist.org for $50.  I couldn’t believe that it hadn’t sold by the time I found it, but the gentleman said that I was the first one to call. It turned out to be an early, 1895-dated, bayonet that still had the cosmoline on it from arsenal overhaul. Not as nice to have as one that had not been overhauled, but for $50 it was a super find.

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